{"id":175581,"date":"2024-06-20T16:20:56","date_gmt":"2024-06-20T14:20:56","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.voyages-d-affaires.com\/?p=175581"},"modified":"2024-06-20T16:20:57","modified_gmt":"2024-06-20T14:20:57","slug":"josenhans-grape-hospitality-interview","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.voyages-d-affaires.com\/en\/josenhans-grape-hospitality-interview","title":{"rendered":"F. Josenhans (Grape Hospitality): \"We're expected to deliver on the experience, the day-to-day welcome\"."},"content":{"rendered":"<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"h-grape-hospitality-detient-ou-gere-une-centaine-d-hotels-en-franchise-aupres-de-accor-ihg-ou-louvre-hotels-revenons-sur-la-genese-de-votre-groupe\">Grape Hospitality owns or manages around a hundred hotels under franchise from Accor, IHG and Louvre Hotels. Let's look back at the origins of your group. <\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Fr\u00e9d\u00e9ric Josenhans - <\/strong>The adventure began in 2016 with the acquisition of 85 businesses from the Accor group. With our shareholders, i.e. Eurazeo for 70% and AccorInvest for more or less the rest of the capital, we thought it would be preferable to concentrate value creation at all levels, by owning both the premises and the goodwill, in addition to operating the hotels. A totally atypical model. Our aim was simple: i<strong>nvesting in the renovation of these hotels<\/strong>Finally, we wanted to create value by managing costs more closely and optimising sales in a slightly different way, particularly in the restaurant sector. For example, some of our establishments had excellent locations for chain restaurants, and we became franchisees for brands such as Hippopotamus, Pizza del Arte and Bistrot R\u00e9gent. At the same time, we created Grape Bars for hotels that didn't have restaurants, and in-house brasseries for those that did. This is what business travellers like: restaurants that are appreciated by local customers without having to leave the hotel.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"h-comment-vous-positionnez-vous-vis-a-vis-de-ces-groupes-hoteliers\">How do you position yourself in relation to these hotel groups?<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Fr\u00e9d\u00e9ric Josenhans - <\/strong>Our model is linked to the asset-light strategy of all these major groups, which have divested themselves of the management of their establishments in segments ranging from economy to premium. From then on, these groups concentrated on two fundamental areas of expertise: distribution and marketing. When you choose one of their brands, you expect first and foremost<strong> bringing you customers<\/strong>This is achieved through direct sales and the loyalty programme, as well as through the group's agreements with indirect distributors such as Booking and Expedia. In addition, their global vision gives them a clear view of customer expectations and enables them to adapt their brands to these changes. For players like us, it's difficult to envisage the changing habits of Chinese customers. The big brands are expected to be there. And we're expected to deliver on the customer experience, our day-to-day welcome and the motivation of our staff. This is the real change compared with the time when Accor managed almost all these hotels.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"h-dans-ce-cadre-comment-se-partagent-les-relations-avec-la-clientele-corporate\">In this context, how are relations with corporate customers shared?<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Fr\u00e9d\u00e9ric Josenhans - <\/strong>Today, franchisors handle major accounts and large event agencies, but that's where it stops. As a result, we deal with the corporate and MICE markets essentially locally, like an independent hotel, <strong>through<\/strong> <strong>our sales force<\/strong>. We can see that this is where most of our production is today. It is obviously important for our hotels to be referenced by the major business travel intermediaries in order to reach the very largest groups. However, since COVID we have seen that there has been a significant reduction in business travel by very large companies. They were the first to cut back on travel, to review their travel policies for various reasons, budgetary of course, but also concerning CSR or teleworking. To replace them, we have placed particular emphasis on working with large SMEs, which are major contributors to our hotels.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-gallery has-nested-images columns-default is-cropped wp-block-gallery-2 is-layout-flex wp-block-gallery-is-layout-flex\">\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"700\" height=\"420\" data-id=\"176235\" src=\"https:\/\/www.voyages-d-affaires.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/06\/salle-de-reunion-atypique-clandestino-no.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-176235\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.voyages-d-affaires.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/06\/salle-de-reunion-atypique-clandestino-no.jpg 700w, https:\/\/www.voyages-d-affaires.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/06\/salle-de-reunion-atypique-clandestino-no-300x180-derived.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 700px) 100vw, 700px\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Atypical meeting room at Novotel Barcelona Cornella<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"700\" height=\"468\" data-id=\"176237\" src=\"https:\/\/www.voyages-d-affaires.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/06\/pullman-toulouse-airport.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-176237\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.voyages-d-affaires.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/06\/pullman-toulouse-airport.jpg 700w, https:\/\/www.voyages-d-affaires.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/06\/pullman-toulouse-airport-300x201-derived.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 700px) 100vw, 700px\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Pullman Toulouse Airport<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/figure>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"h-en-ce-qui-concerne-le-mice-comment-voyez-vous-l-evolution-du-marche\">How do you see the MICE market developing?<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Fr\u00e9d\u00e9ric Josenhans - <\/strong>It's clear that, since the recovery, <strong>green MICE<\/strong> has grown considerably, unlike large meetings in very large hotels. This market is running out of steam. I'm not sure that bringing together 600 or 1000 people, many of whom fly in, is the way of the future. On the other hand, small seminars are. Companies can spend a little more per participant and get a very different experience in return from a traditional hotel right next to a station, for example.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"h-vous-avez-cree-votre-propre-marque-demeures-de-campagne-axee-sur-le-mice-mais-aussi-le-loisir\">You've created your own brand, Demeures de Campagne, which focuses on both MICE and leisure.<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Fr\u00e9d\u00e9ric Josenhans - <\/strong>In our initial portfolio, we had three slightly atypical hotels in the Paris region, in Fontainebleau, Le Coudray and Le Coudray. <a href=\"https:\/\/www.voyages-d-affaires.com\/en\/demeures-campagne-interview-feucherolles-20210719.html\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Maffliers<\/a>. These establishments under the Novotel or Mercure banners - and still do - were dedicated to MICE, but didn't really have a weekend offer. This was despite the exceptional locations and venues, such as the Panhart family's former country house at Le Coudray, set in some fifteen hectares of parkland. It was possible to<strong>to expand the leisure activities of these hotels<\/strong>This is all the more important at a time when seminar activity is restricted to Tuesdays and Thursdays. This is all the more important nowadays, when seminar activity is restricted to Tuesdays and Thursdays. Our Demeures de Campagne offer places where Parisians can feel at home at weekends and during the holidays, with activities to share with the family, cookery classes and an accrobranche. At Ch\u00e2teau de Maffliers, we were also able to buy the outbuildings and turn them into eight g\u00eetes with a total of 40 rooms, plus hotel services.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<aside class=\"wp-block-varenne-quote\"><blockquote><p>We deal with the corporate and MICE markets essentially locally, like an independent hotel, through our sales force.<\/p><\/blockquote><\/aside>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"h-cette-offre-atypique-se-destine-t-elle-aussi-aux-groupes-affaires\">Is this atypical offer also aimed at business groups?<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Fr\u00e9d\u00e9ric Josenhans - <\/strong>In fact, they are also used for MICE. In particular, we have a very large 10-12 bedroom g\u00eete that can, for example, be <strong>privatised<\/strong>. Groups can hold their meetings here, call in a chef in the evening if they don't want to go to the restaurant, and so on. You feel like you've rented a country house for your seminar, with service, activities, a swimming pool and packed lunches if you go for a walk.\u00a0<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"h-maintenant-que-vous-avez-un-portefeuille-important-et-diversifie-comment-comptez-vous-vous-developper\">Now that you have a large and diversified portfolio, how do you plan to grow?<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Fr\u00e9d\u00e9ric Josenhans - <\/strong>In total, we have just under 120 hotels, but the number of hotels is not key for us. We have two priorities. For the classic hotels, we're going to continue to grow by taking advantage of opportunities. <strong>acquiring small portfolios<\/strong>hotel renovation. This is our core business. We also have a more entrepreneurial focus, with the accelerated development of Demeures de Campagne and The People, a new generation of budget hotels.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-gallery has-nested-images columns-default is-cropped wp-block-gallery-3 is-layout-flex wp-block-gallery-is-layout-flex\">\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"700\" height=\"467\" data-id=\"176243\" src=\"https:\/\/www.voyages-d-affaires.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/06\/54b0242-1.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-176243\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.voyages-d-affaires.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/06\/54b0242-1.jpg 700w, https:\/\/www.voyages-d-affaires.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/06\/54b0242-1-300x200-derived.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 700px) 100vw, 700px\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">AbriChics decorated by Stella Cadente.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"700\" height=\"525\" data-id=\"176245\" src=\"https:\/\/www.voyages-d-affaires.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/06\/251610203-1.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-176245\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.voyages-d-affaires.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/06\/251610203-1.jpg 700w, https:\/\/www.voyages-d-affaires.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/06\/251610203-1-300x225-derived.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.voyages-d-affaires.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/06\/251610203-1-80x60-derived.jpg 80w, https:\/\/www.voyages-d-affaires.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/06\/251610203-1-265x198-derived.jpg 265w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 700px) 100vw, 700px\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Demeures de Campagne Domaine de Maffliers<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/figure>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"h-quelles-ont-ete-vos-acquisitions-les-plus-recentes\">What have been your most recent acquisitions?<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Fr\u00e9d\u00e9ric Josenhans - <\/strong>These include <strong>an office building in Rome transformed into a Mama Shelter <\/strong>before the brand was finally acquired by Accor. With Serge and J\u00e9r\u00e9my Trigano, we worked <a href=\"https:\/\/www.voyages-d-affaires.com\/en\/mama-roma-shelter-20210420.html\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">this interesting product, plus loisirs<\/a>. This is the first Mama to have a swimming pool, for example. The rooms are also almost 28 m\u00b2 to accommodate families. We have a real dialogue with the brands. Being an operator allows us to talk to franchisors in a more open way, not just with financial blinkers on.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"h-vous-avez-aussi-fait-des-infidelites-a-accor-avec-plusieurs-hotels-en-franchise-avec-ihg\">You have also been unfaithful to Accor, with several hotels under franchise with IHG.<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Fr\u00e9d\u00e9ric Josenhans - <\/strong>In fact, particularly at <a href=\"https:\/\/www.voyages-d-affaires.com\/en\/hotel-indigo-bordeaux-lifestyle-20230907.html\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Bordeaux<\/a> where we bought a Mercure hotel in the Chartrons district, which we converted into a hotel. <strong>Hotel Indigo<\/strong>. In Florence, we acquired an independent hotel, the Landra, which has one of the largest MICE capacities in the city centre and which also reopened under this brand at the beginning of the year. As the city attracts an Anglo-Saxon clientele, we chose this brand from the IHG group rather than Accor or Mariott, which already had a strong presence, even though IHG only had a Holiday Inn at Florence airport. Similarly, in Spain, we have acquired several Ayre hotels from the Palladium group. In particular, a hotel with almost 200 rooms next to the Barcelona Feria, oriented towards business and leisure, which we have also transformed into a Hotel Indigo, while two hotels in Madrid have become Crowne Plaza and Voco.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"h-vous-parliez-de-votre-volonte-de-developper-votre-marque-the-people-comment-avez-vous-concu-ce-concept-entre-auberge-de-jeunesse-et-hotellerie-economique\">You spoke of your desire to develop your The People brand. How did you come up with this concept, a cross between a youth hostel and a budget hotel?<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Fr\u00e9d\u00e9ric Josenhans - <\/strong>We are convinced that it is becoming increasingly difficult to offer an affordable budget hotel in the heart of major cities, because of the price per square metre. An Ibis in Paris can cost from \u20ac120-150 in off-peak periods to \u20ac300-350 in peak periods. A high price for a family of four who have to take two rooms. Hence our idea of <strong>look at what was happening with youth hostels<\/strong>followed by the acquisition of The People Hostel and Les Piaules. It was on this basis that we created the hybrid hotel concept that is today The People brand.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-gallery has-nested-images columns-default is-cropped wp-block-gallery-4 is-layout-flex wp-block-gallery-is-layout-flex\">\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"700\" height=\"467\" data-id=\"176247\" src=\"https:\/\/www.voyages-d-affaires.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/06\/tph-marseille-2-1536x1024-1.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-176247\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.voyages-d-affaires.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/06\/tph-marseille-2-1536x1024-1.jpg 700w, https:\/\/www.voyages-d-affaires.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/06\/tph-marseille-2-1536x1024-1-300x200-derived.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 700px) 100vw, 700px\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">The People Marseille<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"700\" height=\"525\" data-id=\"176249\" src=\"https:\/\/www.voyages-d-affaires.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/06\/the-people-le-havre.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-176249\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.voyages-d-affaires.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/06\/the-people-le-havre.jpg 700w, https:\/\/www.voyages-d-affaires.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/06\/the-people-le-havre-300x225-derived.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.voyages-d-affaires.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/06\/the-people-le-havre-80x60-derived.jpg 80w, https:\/\/www.voyages-d-affaires.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/06\/the-people-le-havre-265x198-derived.jpg 265w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 700px) 100vw, 700px\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">The People Le Havre<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/figure>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"h-plus-precisement-que-propose-les-etablissements-the-people-aux-voyageurs\">More specifically, what does The People offer travellers?<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Fr\u00e9d\u00e9ric Josenhans - <\/strong>First and foremost, they are places where local people enjoy coming with their friends and family. <strong>a bar, restaurant and sometimes coworking and meeting spaces<\/strong>. In addition, the number of beds is optimised according to the price per square metre, with more or less double rooms, family rooms, dormitories of 6 or 8, all with sanitary facilities and which can be private or rented per bed, some being reserved for women. Everything can change depending on the market. The closer you are to the centre of Paris, the more dormitories and family rooms you will have. In Le Havre, because we're close to the port, we have rooms for 4 people with kitchenettes, for workers who come to do maintenance work, for example.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"h-ils-se-destinent-donc-autant-aux-familles-et-amis-qu-aux-voyageurs-d-affaires\">So they're as much for families and friends as for business travellers?<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Fr\u00e9d\u00e9ric Josenhans - <\/strong>More and more of our customers are freelancers or people who have moved to the provinces and need to <strong>come and work in Paris for a day or two<\/strong> and pay for their own accommodation. As these are not youth hostels for backpackers who party all night, it's perfect. It's a new type of client business that we've developed and it's working very well. 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